So this blog is about addressing the whole issue of white male/ asian female relationships from the perspective of the 50% chance Eurasian sons they might have in the future. When confronted, the initial defense of WM/AF is that its “accidental”, that we live in a wonderful post-racial multicultural colorblind society, and WM and AFs just don’t see race. When confronted with statistics, and the fact that WM/AF disparity is caused by people seeing race all too well. Then they are forced to actually defend WM/AF as a positive good in and of itself. And this comes down to Asian male bashing. Occasionally white female bashing will be thrown into the mix for good measure, that white women are too bitchy feminist liberated individualistic western etc etc, and so decent white chaps need submissive Asian woman to follow orders. Anyway I’ve googled this topic a lot and there are tons of blogs and forums defending WM/AF both from the WM and AF perspective. But very rarely does the whole future hapa son issue come up. So it is interesting to see an AF in an WM/AF relationship address the hapa son issue head on. And this AF is so empathetic to the WM, point of view that she even says white males suffer more than Asians, since they are discriminated against by affirmative action!
Her basic argument is this Asian males are like fat fugly chicks. A man might hate fat chicks, marry a hot girl and have a fat chick as a daughter. Does this make that man evil or a bad father, that he wouldn’t date fat chicks, but now has one as a daughter?
So here are some choice quotes-
Poster A:
Wrong argument, you are continuing to attempt sidetracking and/or in denial by avoiding my question. Let me simplify things a bit more and ask you the question again. Let’s just say for example, I’m your hapa son, who is masculine, secured and all that. While you being a good mother and all which I’m sure you are, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ME FINDING YOUR REMARK TO BE OFFENSIVE? Just because I don’t look like what you described, does that mean I shouldn’t find it offensive?
It’s simply this …. pretend I’m your hapa son, looks similar to what you described, and the statement you made was 20 years ago. Your original statement/beliefs has been relayed and circulated amongst your peers, friends and family throughout all those years because they agreed with you , and at 20 years of age it finally reached my ears. Guess what, as your hapa son, I heard it from my aunty and another female friend of my mom, that they “don’t find most Asian men attractive. Too short, too effeminate and they like hairy guys.” How do you think I should feel? As your hapa son and look similar to what you described, how should I take that? Shouldn’t say anything right? Be a man, confident and let it slide, right?
Are you now admiting that your beliefs can hinder your ability to be a fit motherhood? Personally, I don’t think so, that’s why I did not mention this in my previous post. I don’t believe your negative views about some people effects your ability to be good overall mother, but I do still find it offensive. Unless you’re admitting as a mother, you are NOT responsible for your own words. In which case, it’s something can be discussed further next time if you want. My point is, it still doesn’t change the fact that as your hapa son, with Asian appearance, masculine, secured and everything, I still find that to be offensive.
Your persistant assaults towards other brothers only proving your incongruous POV to be more wrong by AVOIDING the specific issue in question. My argument is if your expecting hapa son happens to fall into the same category of people you described and rejected (in your 1st orignal statement), appearance wise, by then and until then, you will have no choice but to CHANGE your tune/stance/notion. Unless you want to go against your son.
Let me put it another way, unless you avoid the AA community and all Asians (including AF friends) all-together completely, as they would undoubtedly have Asian sons of their own. If you happen to have a few AF friends with sons, the trumpery rhetoric of your original statement would certainly effect them. Even if your AF friends agree with you, their sons certainly will not, and they will definitely try to stop the spread of this negative message amongst your network of acquaintances. Do you see where I’m getting at now? Therefore, I would advice you keep it to yourself, and not even post such messages in the internet, please.
Of course my attitude toward obese and hairy women is respected if my hapa daughter happens to fall into that same category. I would NEVER EVER say anything so demeaning/derogatory about any group of females so to belittle their self-importance/self-respect, especially in public or in a public forum.
You should never spread this kind of negative messages (of your 1st original statement) about a certain group of people, not even around your circle of friends or it can come back to haunt you. If your message/belief is wide spread and accepted amongst your peers/friends, husband and family, you really believe that your potential/expecting son won’t ever pick up on this? And if he happens to fall victim into the same category of the people you ostracized/rejected, how would he feel?
My hapa daughter would feel really pissed off and offended if that’s the case. Whether it was said 20 years ago or today, if she ever unexpectedly finds out that her father had said and believed in something that’s negatively scornful to the point of ostracizing/rejecting a group people similar to her, something that’s totally out of their or her control. Of course that would upset her. That’s why I would NEVER say such a thing.
Finally, your latest statement “I’ve also stated I’ve met some very attractive NE Asian men.”, which is perfectly fine, but it still doesn’t change your original statement “don’t find most Asian men attractive. Too short, too effeminate and I like hairy guys.” as it shouldn’t be repeated anywhere else publicly again. It’s just wrong, same thing if I start a new thread with “don’t find most women attractive, too hairy, too obese and I like fit girls.”, and then started backtracking from there. IT’S JUST WRONG! Backtracking doesn’t change your first statement, the only way it can change is if you NEVER state it in public again. Thank you
Asian female reply:
I apologize if I didn`t answer your question to your satisfaction. I know your not yet married, but I`ll try to explain my position one more time. My husband and I try very hard to encourage our daughter. She`s very young yet, but I want her to be proud of her family, her mixed heritage, her gender and confident of her parents unconditional love and support. We`d never intentionally make any remarks that would cause her to question this unconditional love and support. We would naturally do the same for any future children.
Your talking about sexual fantasies. This is an anonymous forum where people don`t know my family. I don`t go around telling just everybody about it. Do your parents discuss their turn-ons with you? However, if I found out tomorrow that my dad found black women on average the most feminine because he thought they had the best butts I woudn`t feel as though he loved me any less. I might get sick thinking about my parents having sex, but I definitely wouldn`t question that his love remained unconditional. If a future son found out my intimate desires when he`s 20 years old I think he`d also feel creepy thinking about his mother`s sex life, but he certainly wouldn`t feel as though he was loved any less.
Honestly, i really don’t get the whole notion of Asian and white men interracial relationship. Having have lived in the U.S. for over 16 years and never had a white guy interested in me (real talk) the subject just seems a bit far fetched or maybe i’m not a guy magnet. *shrugs* whatever it is you’ve got it. YOu should fee lucky that such guy want to have a seriouse relationship with you. You should cherish it. Chances our there is a whole line up of single girls (like myself are envious of you) ….
If your saying Asian girls who get approached by white guys should be envied by Asian girls who don’t, I totally disagree with you. I think any Asian girl knowledgeable about the history of Asians in America, and NOT just history, but what goes on right now here in 2011, would be very wary of a white man approaching her and trying to use his sociopolitical status to take her as a prize. So as an Asian woman, I would be glad to be ignored by white men, and it would not affect my self-esteem at all, since the psychology of white men going after asian women is entirely different from that of normal romantic attraction.
WM/AF is the greatest evil in the world today. AM/WF is the greatest good in the world.
Is that hypocritical? Sure, IF my principle were races shouldn’t mix. (Actually White Males who date Asian Females are the MOST likely to believe in the ‘science’ of racial differences and inequality.) But the problem isn’t race-mixing. The problem is WM/AF and what it stands for. White Men hate women, Asians and equality.
The White Male who is into Asian women, is a traditionalist anti-feminist who believes women should know their place. He also looks down on Asian men as small-dicked nerd robots. He hates Asians and he hates women, yet he loves Asian women long time. The logic of WM/AF is that men are chauvinist pigs who like “femininity” (slavery) and women are all gold-digging shallow whores. The victory of WM/AF is the victory of cruelty, sadism, anti-feminism, racism, imperialism, and brute domination.
WM/AF is a rightwing political movement not a relationship. Happier Abroad is based on hatred of feminism and hated of colored peoples.
The White Man, Asian Woman couple is incapable of love, and will never be able to raise a loving family. It is based on hating Asian men, and all Women. So their Eurasian son will be an emasculated suicide, and their Eurasian daughter a depressed whore.
In Western society Asian men are stereotyped as being unmasculine. What does it mean to be masculine? Egotistical, macho, tough, aggressive, philandering, cheating, selfish. So is it a bad thing that Asian values are supposedly more intellectual, egalitarian, collective, altruistic, and less selfish? Asian males are only a bad catch, if you believe the anti-feminist pop psychology that says women are biologically hardwired to love selfish assholes that hurt them. Asian men don’t do that. They are a race of “nice guys”. For an Asian man to love a white woman, in a society that steps on him, humiliates, degrades, castrates and emasculates him, is the highest act of courage. He is the ultimate alpha male, triumphing against all odds. The white male who buys an Asian woman is the lowest possible male. He is sick of white women being feminist, aggressive and HUMAN.
As long as WM/AF triumphs over AM/WF we will continue to live in a society where to be a Woman or a Person of Color is to be dirt. White and Asian women both need to wake up and stop playing into a system that says all women are inferior gold-digging whores. Asian women seem especially desperate into playing into every White Male stereotype about what an inferior piece of shit, all females are.
As a white woman who adores Asian men, have some confidence! It’s not only creepy animecon chicks who like azn men, just a lot of Asian men seem unapprochable because they tend to be so serious or quiet all the time and travel in groups. Most white women prefer to be approached first so you have to work on your charisma and build some self esteem. The truth is A lot of white men are lazy mommas boys so naturally they will call the white women who have to learn to act like the alpha “feminists”
So many Asian men are successful at a young age that they can be quite intimidating to a female used to settling for the WM college drop out that spends half his day on Xbox 360. Smile more, laugh more and talk to the girls and they will open up to you. It comes down to preferences, I guess though. Asian men have something about them that just makes them look perfect. I’m not yet able to pinpoint what just yet, but they are really fucking good looking.
your feelings are grounded on not a single fact. Where do you live? I’m guessing not a very multicultural city…
I’m in NYC, and my bf, full asian (vietnamese) was basically the hottest fucking dude in my high school when we met.
I also find asian men INCREDIBLY sexy and masculine and so much more that I can only say on /hm/ (if you want some confidence about people loving masculine asian guys you can lurk there for an asian thread, oh the perfection….)
I think you are just taking all the negative, racist assumptions from white people around you and having heard them reinforced so strongly all your life, let them turn into self hatred and believe they are true.
I think you need to rethink how you see yourself. It shouldn’t be PRIDE for being “different” or SHAME for being “different”, but a simple sense of contentment for being exactly who you are, and as you go on, becoming the best person that you can be, and thanking your lucky stars for everything you are, flaws and strengths alike.
I challenge the statement that there is no racism between women. White American women hate Asian and Asian-American women, bigtime. They know these women are usually thinner, more feminine, and age better. Whenever I or a white friend have dated an Asian woman, it was unbelievable how much racism and shaming language we heard from white women, here in the inter-racial melting pot utopia of San Francisco. If there’s gonna be a race war in america I think it will be between fat white feminists and asian women.
I’ve also heard similar hatred from white american women for East European women, though it’s harder to racialize it since the skin color is not much different.
Yep, I have experienced that first hand. When telling my recent white ex-gf about previous relationships, she had this to say –
About an Asian ex – “really? I honestly cant see why you would even be attracted to them. You like submissive girls or something?”
About a Black ex – *shrug*
She knows Asian women generally have a lot to offer (age very well, feminine, likes to see me happy, etc) and she simply cant compete, hence the shaming language.
o u play on stormfront youll see white women hate on east asian women like white men hate on black men
sexual competion
Boohoo. Poor white man got to deal with racist white women. Shut the fuck up. White men get everything. Asian men like myself, get squat. Even if they are racist, at least they want you to be with them. I got to deal with women who don’t want to be with men who look like they do. I got to deal with women who want children with white features. These are the women that you get to choose from. It’s insane that you think they are sweet and caring when I think they are the exact opposite. Wake up, stupid white man. You are getting the Asian women with the worse morals. Does she push rice into her mouth from a bowl with chopsticks? If you’ve never seen her do that then you’re being deceived. She ain’t real. She’s a wannabe white girl. It’s difficult to resist a girl who’s giving it away, but take this advice. Fuck it. Suck it. Eat it. But, never marry it. You’ll be sorry.
As the white father of a half white, half Japanese kid, I have another perspective for you; the Asian race is using its irrestible women to assimilate the rest of us! I mean, with negative population growth in Europe, and the only population growth in North America attributed to (I would assume largely non-white) immigrants, the caucasian race is clearly not growing in size…
And I, for one, welcome our new sushi-slinging, chop-socky-movie-making, ancient culture-toting overlords! 🙂
I’ve dated Chinese, Japanese, Thai, and Vietnamese and all of them were better than the western girls I’ve dated. Hard working, well educated, intelligent, feminine, attractive, healthy, in good shape, and respectful.
Compare that to to the typical young western girl – foul mouthed, ball-breakers with attitude, promiscuous, tattooed, and fat. Who would want that kind of wife? The choice is simple and most intelligent western guys are catching on. Western women need to shape up!
Many western women assume that it you don’t want western women, you want a submissive person, which just goes to show how unsuitable many women are as wives. How dare men have preferences for other women?
So many women in America treat men like s**t on a daily basis, and then they blame men for not wanting to be with them. If Men are so worthless to you, you should be happy they’re moving on. Women from other cultures are far more respectful, and respectable.
You’re a big dummy. The white women you’re bitching about lives inside your Asian wife. The really wonderful qualities you attribute to Asian women exists only in those women who you see walking down the street with Asian men. With all the shit Asian men take, the women who choose them must be extra special. The women who don’t want any part of that shit choose white men like you.
From reading all the comments, it seems that Asian men hate Asian women more than Asian women hate Asian men. I mean, all the comments are about how all Asian women are terrible, regardless of who they are, what they do, where they’re from. Maybe that’s why some of your women turn towards other men. Because even for (these) Asian men, Asian women are a second choice only. If I were an Asian woman, I certainly would not want to date men who pick me as a second choice and then go on to talk trash about me and calling me misogynist names. Like if a girl picks a white guy, suddenly she is a whore. Some people really don’t LOOK at race. I am sure many do, but the vibe I am getting here is that 100% of women who marry outside of their race are just whores. That is simply not true and you are haters. Negative haters that will find no true love if you continue to be so spiteful. I am in an interracial relationship (black/white) and I understand the problems. But all these hateful comments are so ridiculous. It doesn’t even seem like a race problem. It seems that many men here just talk about women like they are trash.
Have you ever thought about how many of these problems are caused by the MEDIA?! In the western media (which influences all of the world) the only “hot” people are white men and white women. The only people in movies and television are white men and white women. Sure, they throw in a few of the other races once in a white but it is rare. And even then, they pick out average looking blacks, asians, hispanics to promote and they don’t promote them too much because
Consider this: Most of Hollywood is controlled by Jewish men. Growing up to watch superheros and romantic comedies filled with hot white men/women models – how can someone NOT think they are the most attractive? If the western media only displayed blacks in every single movie and told us they were the most attractive, we would all think so. At least 95% of us probably would. I mean, you are influenced by what you are exposed to. Even in African and Asian countries, they think whites are attractive because of all the western influence. Scientifically, homosapiens would find traits like symmetry and large child-rearing hips attractive. All the “superior race” mumble jumble is the influence of society and the development of human psyche.
Also, I think at least half these comments might be from trolls. Are you people even Asian or are you just pushing your political agenda by pretending to be other people?
@WW
Not true. Asian men have been on the receiving end of the hatred of Asian women and white men for decades and have never been allowed a voice because of the nature of the criticism.
Any Asian man who calls out the racism of these Asian women who chose White men over any other race has been labelled a loser as an individual and a failure at relationships, or a racist.
This blog was written by an Asian looking son of a WM/AF couple who has been through the same discrimination faced by Asian men in American society. Because of his Asian looks, this Eurasian has been treated as an Asian man in a hostile environment created for Asian men mostly be people in WM/AF relationships.
Being a son of a WM/AF couple his is in a unique position to criticize WM/AF couples and call Asian women the racists and bigots they TRULY ARE because when pure Asian men do it, WM/AF shuts them down by calling them misogynists and racists who are bitter about Asian women marrying out.
Naturally, with the grounds provided by this Hapa WHO BECAUSE OF HIS ASIAN LOOKS IS TREATED AS AN ASIAN MAN AND NOT A HAPA on which Asian men can voice their SIMILAR opinion, Asian men are finally getting to say what they really think of these Asian women. And because the discrimination has gone on for so long without an outlet, of course the outburst of Asian men who have been denied a voice for so long would be exceptionally harsh.
Is that so hard to understand?
You, WW, need to grow up. Any one who focuses on the Asian male response to this blog and uses it to DELEGITIMIZE the struggles that Hapa sons and daughters of WM/AF go through because of the racism and hatred so many WM/AF couples form their unions on needs to GET SOME PERSPECTIVE.
I am not delegitimizing your struggles. I admit that I do not fully understand it, but I am certainly not delegitimizing anything. We all have struggles. You have to understand that being a black woman is certainly not any easier in this sick world.
If you want to fight the discrimination, you can’t become like them. You can’t go around insulting all white men or Asian women or whomever you think offend you. By doing so, you undermine your own argument. People will call you losers and other names and think you are whining if you are lashing out at an entire race or gender.
The problem isn’t as simple as “Asian women’s fault” or “white man’s fault” – but it is EVERYONE’S fault. By hating on Asian women, you are not helping cure the problem of self-hate. You are helping spread the internal hate within your own people. That will only continue the vicious cycle of hating on each other. In a way, you can say that it is playing right into the “white man’s hands” and allowing him to control you.
I don’t know of any way to solve discrimination. I can’t help you solve your problems as I can’t even solve my own. What I can tell you, however, is to try to feel better about it. Do what you think you can do to empower yourself and your people, but when you can’t do anything – don’t hate. Don’t hate others and don’t hate yourself.
This world is really unfair. Divorce rates are high, people cheat, lie, steal, kill. And then there are these identity problems. You can never predict anything so try not to let things bother you if you can prevent it.
Do you think it is so easy to marry outside your race? When I fell in love, I truly never considered race. And I love my boyfriend, everything he does or says. I love watching movies and sharing food and time and cuddling and caring. I love all those joyous moments. But you know what I have to deal with daily? Comments similar to these that talk about why would a black woman want a white man. Talks about how I want to climb the social ladder. Talks about how I am betraying my race.
And do you know how much I fear what my future children will think now? My children will not be white. No, because any bit of black genes will make them black. And I fear that they will self-hate like you. I don’t want a world filled with hate. You hate yourselves, you hate everyone for marrying outside their race.
And maybe I am attracted to my boyfriend because I do think he is attractive. Because I am influenced by society and I am a loser for growing up in a world where I am influenced by my surroundings. So what? I am who I am now. What do you want me to do about it? I love my boyfriend, my family and myself. I am happy.
Before you insult every woman for marrying outside her race, or before attacking those Asian women for marrying white, black, or Asian men. Think about it. No one wakes up and decides to “betray” their race. If an action is taken as a betrayal, it is most likely accidental. Things are so ingrained in our minds that we can’t help it. And even if you point it out now, how is that going to wash away the influence of our entire existence?
I am sorry for babbling. I know some of it is off tangent, but what I am trying to say is that you can’t blame one race or another, or a group of woman or man. It is everyone. It is society. It is not one person doing evil upon you. It is years and years of influence.
Hating on women and yelling at them will not change anything (for the good). It is the influence of the media, the government, the people’s minds, religion, etc. that will help. You can’t make changes in a lifetime, but you can start and help.
By taking control. Perhaps by war or monetary success. If you control the media and influence the minds, perhaps in the future generations your people will be considered the top and the best. Or at least an alpha and greatly desired.
Remember what black slaves went through. We were less than trash, to be raped and murdered. Anyone could rape and kill us. And we could do nothing. This is different because it is not so much physical, but we are all being manipulated in our minds.
The change you seek is political. Don’t blame the women or men. Fight against discrimination.
Sorry, because of the nature of the discrimination is what I meant, not the nature of the criticism.
I think as a Black Women in a relationship with a White Man, you are taking many of the comments here personally, thinking the suggestion is that all colored women who marry whites are whores. But as many have repeatedly said, their beef is not with race-mixing but with neo-colonial power relations. SEL has a post where he addresses the issue of “Jungle Fever” and how when Black people were in a submissive power relationship to White People, Black Women were seen as highly desirable, but since the Civil Rights Movement and Black Power, Black Women are accused of being ultra-masculine.
The National Review had an article on how Black Women as masculine and Asian Men as feminine have been the two big losers in interracial marriage. In some ways Asian Men and Black Women are in similar positions. The show Community had the Male Sell-out-whore Kim Jeong hook up with the fat black lady. The implication is that the two least desired pares should get together. I think AM/BF relationships are progressive, but they should be on our own terms, and not shoved on us, as the two reject races getting together. Keep in mind the AM position is far worse than the BF position. Asians are in the submissive, degrading position Blacks were in the 1920s. The WM/BF to BM/WF disparity is not nearly as bad as WM/AF. And there are Black Female role models like Halle
Berry, Beyonce, Tyra Banks, Michelle Obama. And media portrayls of Black Females that show their feelings and portray them as human beings. There is NONE of that for Asian Men, who are portrayed as soulless nerdy, comic, foreign, castrated, enemies. From American culture, you would never get the idea that Asian Men are actual human beings.
There is a comment here by a girl with a White Dad and Black Mom and she relates to much of what SEL says about WM/AF. She says that popular culture suggests that MAsculine Black MEn should hook up with beautiful white women. She has a Mulatto friend with the more common pairing- Black Dad and White Mom- and her Black Dad openly praises the beauty of White Women in front of his black-looking daughter. The commenter suggested that this has the same negative psych effect that WM/AF does on sons. So for her, she was proud of her WM/BF parents and compared it to AM/WF, in that it swims against the tide of the dominant racial-gender narrative.
You keep throwing around the misogyny label. But do a little googling about why White Men are so into Asian Women, and you’ll see the most misogynistic disgusting anti-feminist comments about women. White Men are sick of the entitled feminist attitude of Western Women, and want Asians to be submissive, respectful, slaves.
Its not about individuals just finding love. Try to put yourself in the shoes of a Eurasian Male. You have white culture, Y-chromosome, family and last name. You expect to be treated as White. But your just another Gook to the world. The nerdiest misogynist White guys can just fly to Asia and get a hot babe, because you belong to the most pitiful race of males. And then you look at your own parents, and they are WM/AF. Do you know what that does to a young man’s psyche? So yes Eurasian Males are going to feel a lot of anger towards their parents.
From reading all the comments, it seems that Asian men hate Asian women more than Asian women hate Asian men. I mean, all the comments are about how all Asian women are terrible, regardless of who they are, what they do, where they’re from. Maybe that’s why some of your women turn towards other men. Because even for (these) Asian men, Asian women are a second choice only. If I were an Asian woman, I certainly would not want to date men who pick me as a second choice and then go on to talk trash about me and calling me misogynist names. Like if a girl picks a white guy, suddenly she is a whore. Some people really don’t LOOK at race. I am sure many do, but the vibe I am getting here is that 100% of women who marry outside of their race are just whores. That is simply not true and you are haters. Negative haters that will find no true love if you continue to be so spiteful. I am in an interracial relationship (black/white) and I understand the problems. But all these hateful comments are so ridiculous. It doesn’t even seem like a race problem. It seems that many men here just talk about women like they are trash.
Have you ever thought about how many of these problems are caused by the MEDIA?! In the western media (which influences all of the world) the only “hot” people are white men and white women. The only people in movies and television are white men and white women. Sure, they throw in a few of the other races once in a white but it is rare. And even then, they pick out average looking blacks, asians, hispanics to promote and they don’t promote them too much because
Consider this: Most of Hollywood is controlled by Jewish men. Growing up to watch superheros and romantic comedies filled with hot white men/women models – how can someone NOT think they are the most attractive? If the western media only displayed blacks in every single movie and told us they were the most attractive, we would all think so. At least 95% of us probably would. I mean, you are influenced by what you are exposed to. Even in African and Asian countries, they think whites are attractive because of all the western influence. Scientifically, homosapiens would find traits like symmetry and large child-rearing hips attractive. All the “superior race” mumble jumble is the influence of society and the development of human psyche.
Hey there WW. I’m the poster Half White was talking about when she said there was someone who posted about her black mom and white dad.
Personally, I think you’re being ridiculous if you say “some people really don’t look at race.” You can see that just based on statistics — way more pairings of Asian women & white men as well as black men & white women than vice versa. The majority of people notice, and yes, you might be in that 1% that doesn’t, but you aren’t because you’re posting here. Being aware of race doesn’t make you a bad person, but I do think all of the “we are all one race” stuff is just counterproductive.
Yes, the media is a problem but you can’t just turn a blind eye to your own issues and blame the media because you can’t change that. Like for example, are you sure that you don’t get a little bump of pride when you go into restaurants and the waiters treat you better because you’re with a white guy? Or that you were special enough that a white guy picked you? My mom told me this. She sat me down and said, “marrying white makes your life easier, but here are the issues you will have to deal with if you date white men: x, y, z…” and here are the issues you will have to deal with with black men: “x, y, z…” She was honest about her own racial fucked-upness (we all have it), my dad was too, and it made me go into every relationship with eyes wide open.
As a representative for your future daughter with your white boyfriend, I’d like to say that even if you don’t want to deal with racial issues, she will. She’ll have to deal with the fact that she’ll have to try a lot harder to make black girlfriends because they’ll all see her as a threat. She’ll have to deal with black men trying to use her to get as close to a white woman as possible without making their mom/sisters/relativs angry, and white/other men trying to use her to obtain an exotic, pretty object. Not every guy will be like this, but without being aware of race and facing it, you’re leaving her poorly equipped to defend against the attacks the world will wage on her and it can leave her broken and bleeding. I’ve seen a couple of mixed race friends go this way. You don’t want that to happen to your kids.
Anti-Feminist MRAs deep down know the inferiority of their sperm. They can never hope to handle the intensity of a Nordic Swedish woman. So he crys about her feminism and chooses to marry into the Gook race. Expressing his pedo desire for little boys with no tits. MRAs know their maleness is inferior. The only hope of their DNA surviving is to hitch-hike with Bangkok whores and hope that other Men’s sons will find their Eurasian daughter whores worth cumdumping.
White men who can’t compete in the REAL sexual selection to win white women, fall back onto the sexual Special Olympics of Asian Maleness. Thus the inherent inferiority of anti-Feminist Males is exposed. They are Asian Aspies in the bodies of White Males. Asian Females are not Females, they are White Nerds without dicks.
As for Eurasian Males there are doomed to be sexless slaves of the very fat white feminists they despise. Such is the fate of MRA Happier Abroad sons.
What is the root of Asian Male inferiority?
The Chinese (and Asians in general) have highly sensitive nervous systems; acute temporary madness following prolonged stress is episodically endemic among such populations (this is why social harmony and peace and not ‘rocking the boat’ is paramount in such societies). Fortunately, when they go mad they generally only harm or kill themselves, their deranged ire is most often inwardly directed. Their nervous systems are truly different and this explains the multitudinous, hierarchical, non-individualistic (even socially oneiric) types of societies that exist in the Orient to this day.
The ‘don’t rock the boat’ mentality is certainly not exclusive to Japan as it is philosophically Confucian in origin and persists/is preserved in China to this day as is easily evidenced by this Wikipedia article and countless periodical articles on the topic. Certainly, extreme laissez-faire capitalism is diametrically counterproductive and disruptive to the maintenance of a ‘harmonious society’, but, on the other hand, isn’t the persistent potential of mass communitarian action, even rebellion, one of the reasons for the preservation, indeed, existence of extremely repressive governmental controls in China—isn’t this mass communitarian spirit the most profoundly inherent ethos of that civilization vs. the imposed artifice of disruptive Western capitalism?
I have not lived in Asia, but extrapolate based on my knowledge of subjects such as psychology, psychiatry, literature, and philosophy. My original post was admittedly simplistic, but I do not disavow the general principle expressed, which is that group statistical neurophysiology influences society and vice versa in a continuous and reflectively infinite interplay, which may be simplistically described as a non-closed (or at least permeable) neurobiological loop or ‘mirroristic’ circuit. This means in the specific example of Asian cultures, such as the Chinese and Japanese, that, speaking grosso modo, non-individualistic familio and socio-centric societies have developed and continue to exist in such countries and that their existence necessarily constitutes both a neurobiological reality (of empirically instantiable and generalizable dimensions) as well as a sociological one (with the two dimensionalities being in essence one and inseparable for the duration of the formation).
Taking the anterior paragraph as a very general theoretical model it is logical to conclude that persons of recent ethnic Asiatic origin residing in the U.S. will neurophysiologically endeavor (subconsciously) to realize adaptations to their host society and that these adaptations will be most neurologically complete in the case of pre-adolescent children, who will, nevertheless, retain active and potentiable genetic and residual socio-biological hereditary differences vis-a-vis their e.g. Caucasian-American peers (typical anticipatable examples of which being: alcohol and lactose intolerances, but also potentially in the auscultation and production of certain sounds).
The interplay between culture and biology (including, the consciousness-producing neurobiology) is circuitous and mutual and so when one speaks of the most historically stable elements of a culture one necessarily speaks of corresponding or correlative neurophysiological traits or characteristics. A relatively highly sensitive nervous system, for example, (and especially in men) may be a consequence of generally lower levels of active testosterone, which in turn may manifest inextricably in sociocultural norms, the treatment of women, fertility patterns, disease and longevity patterns, and more abstract civilizational manifestations such as the Japanese culture of ‘kawaii’, etc. To delve into these complex, alternately corporeal and ethereal matters is not to be racist, but to be un-ideologically inquisitive.
I’m inclined to suspect that lower active testosterone levels among East Asian men may be a factor of some significance in their vaunted academic performance and in their cognitive performance and functioning in general (I think historically such civilizations suspected as much and this is in part why they instituted so many monastic orders relative to other societies and were so reliant on eunuchism as a governmental system).
Regardless of the ideologies used to justify what was in fact a highly successful plan of European and Western colonialism, the really only important fact is that it ocurred first in Europe, while China, up to the present time, has never attempted similar colonialist forays outside of its hinterland, preferring always unbelligerent trade missions and even economic monopolizations over overtly militaristic adventures and that Japan clearly attempted this in studied, almost scientific imitation of the Western powers (the key and operative word being ‘imitation’); there may well be a germinal neurobiological connection or even cause for such differences in migrational and military/economic trajectories and histories, perhaps related to the aforementioned differences in active testosterone levels.
This blog is a collecting pit of human waste.
As a white woman, I just want to say that I support what you do here. I’m sick and tired of Asian women being used as the battering ram of white male patriarchy. All these Boycott American Women sites are always celebrating submissive Asian women as the ideal traditional Geisha bride. And Asian women are happy to play along and attack white girls in a very catty sneaky matter. I’m glad that these traditional ‘family value’ marriages are having families that are falling apart under the assaults of their own sons. I feel sorry for the emotional torment, Hapa boys have to go through, but I’m glad you are a trojan horse within their anti-woman coven. I hope that more Hapa sons will work to tear apart their parents’ relationship from the inside.
I agree with Annabelle that there is a ton of racism and sexism surrounding WMAF online, and in real life. Its very connected to the whole Boycott American Women movement. And in total ignorance of genetics, there is this fantasy that anti-feminist Asian women will pump out white sons.
My white dad is a liberal and not a MRA or Nazi. I have had plenty of fights with him. But I dont think he is like online WMAF. Still I think even ‘good’ WMAF couples benefit from structural racism and privilege. Its not by accident that WMAF happens in the numbers it does. And I do get very angry anytime I read WMAF propaganda online, and I have to deal with the fact that Im a half Asian man born of WMAF.
I’m not sure what the solution is for me from a personal perspective. I cant exactly separate my personal identity as a Hapa from the WMAF relationship. And the more I read, the more I feel like WMAF is a personal attack on me. What makes WMAF unique among all other race-mixing is that it takes own the character of a political movement more than a relationship. I see WMAFs posting propaganda pictures, actively promoting their political aims. They want to convince parties that are not interested in WMAF, to join up with them. There are plenty of racial fetishes out there. But WMAF is unique in that there is an active campaign to recruit other WM and AF to their cause. It doesn’t make much sense to urge other men to compete with you for the same women you are interested in. It is the logic of an extremist political cause, not a genuine romantic relationship. Just by having WMAF genes inside me, I feel like I’m a victim of the WMAF Movement, even if my own WMAF parents were not card-carrying members.
It is a uniquely nasty type of white man who is interested in ‘Asian culture’ and ‘Asian women’. On the one hand he is a loser in white society, and thus identifies with things like Anime and Manga as a nerd culture more accepting of his eccentricities. He doesn’t fit in with the American culture of jocks and cheerleaders. On the other hand he is a far-right reactionary who romanticizes the supposed conservatism and patriarchy of traditional East Asian society. He feels that existing white society hates him, and he in turn becomes full of hatred for western women and colored men. A loser in white culture and in turn a White nationalist. This defines the white men in WMAF.
I don’t think it is necessarily inherently reactionary for a white man to date a colored women. For example when a White Slaveholder or Strom Thurmond has a black mistress and has mulatto kids with her, that is clearly a relation of domination. On the other hand a white man marrying a black women in 1920 as a lawful wife, was a progressive act. And I would say that WMBF relations can be progressive today, to the extent that Black women are presented as ultra-masculine and not suitable partners for white men. In that sense it can be a relation of equality. While WMAF is inherently a relation of domination. The qualities that are sort out in WMAF, are inherently colored female submission to White Male rule. I don’t feel I would have the same identity issues or masculinity issues if I had been born the son of my white dad and black mom.
I guess the only thing I can do is promote the idea that the Hapa voice needs to be heard more in the WMAF debate. And to pop the bubble on the Geisha fantasy. Its a difficult place to be in. and there arent many hapa resources to turn to. If I were Black, given the racial history of America, I’m sure my dad wouldn’t think all my racial issues are just in my head, just projections of my personal problems. Even if I was exaggerating, he would know the history of racism. With Asians, how many even well-intentioned whites are even aware of the racial struggles? The white man sees that Asian women seem to be doing good in the west, (after all shes dating an elite catch like him) and so he assumes Asians have no issues, and neither will his half-asian son. Its not necessarily malicious. But there is no reason for a white man to think about the problems of Asian men. Except when those problems become that of his own flesh and blood son.
How often did Nicholas Cage think about Asian men in Hollywood? Not much. But now its a concern of his, since his Hapa son Kal-el is going to be facing that racism.
http://www.bigwowo.com/2013/10/when-rice-chaser-entertainers-become-the-most-prominent-pro-asian-male-activists/
I guess I should just stay off the internet. Since extreme racist-sexist WMAF propaganda is everywhere. And it just makes me hate myself and my parents, even if it isn’t their fault. I feel like no one cares about me. Blacks, women, gays, latinos are all to some extent de-humanized in the media. But there are also plenty of shows that show them as fully developed human beings, with feelings and emotions, and shows them as fully fleshed out characters. Asian men exist in films, solely as asexual, evil, clowns. They are robots to be mowed down. There isn’t a hint of humanity in them. And that is the reason that the problems of Hapa sons gets no press at all from the mainstream media. If you as a woman suffer from sexism, there are a ton of resources to address it. But there is nothing for Hapas, other than the comments section of a blog from 2011.
To Confused Hapa:
Regarding your quote:
“But WMAF is unique in that there is an active campaign to recruit other WM and AF to their cause. It doesn’t make much sense to urge other men to compete with you for the same women you are interested in. It is the logic of an extremist political cause, not a genuine romantic relationship. Just by having WMAF genes inside me, I feel like I’m a victim of the WMAF Movement, even if my own WMAF parents were not card-carrying members. ”
I feel the same way. In recent years, I have been “recruited” by Asian women a couple times to lunches and events. They, and all of their Asian female friends, were married to white husbands and, as a female Eurasian, they wanted to parade me around as the perfect example of why mixed Eurasians kids are superior. I accidentally went to one of their events, because I didn’t know that it was a WMAF get together. All the Asian women could do was fawn over my facial features, my nose, my forehead, blah blah. They creep me out. This was a few years ago and I wasn’t “awake” enough to realize what was going on so I didn’t say anything. I wanted to puke when they tried to match-make and introduce me to a much older white man. I now have no contact with them.
Another time, after a work seminar, an Asian lady told me they have “multi-racial” events with her and her girl friends that I should go to. After my prior experience, I started questioning her more. It turned out they were ALL married to white husbands, and I realized, again, I was being “recruited”. She was constantly complimenting me and obsessing about my facial features, and told me that mixed people are physically and intellectually superior to “pure race” people. But what she really means here is children born to WMAF. She knows she can’t say Eurasians or WMAF is superior, because it’s racist. I flat out told her that Eurasian features are not superior to Asian features, and many people would take offense to her comments regarding superiority. She then said, “Why, because people would think that I sound like a genetic elitist?” I said yes, and I made it clear I didn’t agree with her comments. I never called her back.
I really wish this whole damn WMAF political movement would go away, just like other political movements. And I think the high numbers are due to their own self made propaganda and all the match-making services that feed into it.
It’s tough for me, because I have a fair amount of trauma from growing up around these unhealthy WMAF relationships. I feel that all they’ve done is create more conflict, rather than solve any racial problems the world has. It seems that there is a more severe caste system in Asian countries as a result of it, especially with Eurasians as a forced standard of beauty that Asians themselves have bought into. Seriously, it’s starting to remind me of some elements within the elitist Lebensborn movement under Fascism.
I really think there should be more done in social media to combat it. Many Asian women’s self-esteem needs to be raised and Asian women and white men who support such genetic ideology need a reality check. Like lots of other people have said, I’m not against inter-racial marriages, I’m just against the often racist ideology and imbalanced numbers that WMAF creates, and the conflict it causes, due to the extremely high number of pairings. If WMAF was only 10% of the AF population, I wouldn’t care. It would be more equitable with the number of AMWF pairings. But at 40% or more of Asian females, that number creates more racial conflict and tension than it solves.
I’m not really big on getting involved with comments on the internet. But, I’ve been following SEML and the comments and blogs surrounding this issue for a while now. I made a post earlier asking about half asian half dead. I mentioned that I see there’s a problem with WM/AF too. But, now I really want to actually say something.
The media and the overall western entertainment industry is really the sole source of all this trouble, I think. Everything from television, film, video games, the internet, comics, magazines and various advertisements. Any where the western media touches around the world is affected by this. Its saturated into almost everything.
I’ve read enough comments to understand that people know this. That Hapas and Eurasians are fed up with this widespread campaign by the media and all the people who support it. The comments here repeatedly mention that there is almost no voice for the Eurasians or Hapas who are suffering from this phenomenon. For the most part, this is true. However..
To all the Eurasians and Hapas out there who are suffering. YOU ARE THE VOICE. You are the ones and the only ones who can actually speak up and tell the truth on this evil campaign.
I can’t imagine the pain you people are going through or the kind of struggles and backlash you might face for speaking up. It’s not fair and no one should have to suffer that kind of burden. But you’re here now and the injustice is right in front of you. You have the power to do something about it. All that matters is what you choose to do now.
In my opinion, the simplest and most effective way to get your voices heard is to create videos on Youtube and tell the world about this injustice. People need to see your face and hear the words coming out of a real person and not just see the lines of text on a blog. Many people need more than just reading the words of text to see the truth. They need to look into your eyes and see the pain there. To hear the pain in the sound of your voice. To see with their own eyes that there is a real person who is being hurt.
Also, do not forget that you’re not the only one. That’s made painfully clear on this blog. Work together. There is power in numbers. If each one of the Hapas and Eurasians on SEML just made 1 video of about 3 minutes long, you could have enough videos to create a unified voice. Put them online at the same time and you can face the backlash together and draw strength from one another.
Plus, the flood of backlash that videos like that would cause is STILL attention. That is the goal. To spread awareness. They will NOT hear you. But the more they fight you, the more attention and awareness they are giving you. Plus, it might be that for every 100 people who refuses to hear you, only 1 person will hear you. But even a single mind that has been changed is still something.
I think all the comments supporting SEML are made because they saw 1 Eurasian who had the courage to speak up and make a blog telling the truth of what he saw. His courage gave you the courage to speak up and tell your stories.
Create your videos and place them on Youtube and despite all of the hate and ridicule you will get, somewhere out there is another Hapa or Eurasian who is suffering just like you who will find the courage to say something because of the courage they saw in you.
People say that Hapas and Eurasians are special because they are mixed race and physically beautiful. You know those comments are shallow and heartless. But there is 1 thing that does make all of you Hapas and Eurasians special. You know the truth and you have the power to do something about it.
One of the biggest issues Eurasians would face with regard to going public with our real feelings, is the issue of family honor and shame. Keep in mind that we all have Asian moms, and that we have all probably had the importance of family honor beaten into us. This means that we were trained every day to present a perfect family picture, no matter what internal circumstances were.
To talk about family issues outside the home, would bring infinite shame on the entire family, including extended family, probably the next thing closest to death. Plus, many of us still love our parents, although it might be a love/hate relationship much of the time. So, while our parents are alive, we wouldn’t want to shame them. If I struggle with this, then many other Eurasians I’m sure struggle with this as well. So the in-between is anonymously posting on blogs like this. I agree with you that YouTube would be much more effective. But I’m not so sure how many of us can actually make that psychological leap, and trespass that line of family honor by going public. I realize the family honor and shame issue does make the situation all the more unhealthy, but I can’t even imagine going public while my parents are alive to discuss the issue.
to Clear Thought:
Hmm. I see your point. I guess in that case, blogging and leaving comments is perhaps the only sensible solution for now.
I apologize if anything in my previous post made you or any of the other Eurasians and Hapas feel frustrated, resentful or upset.
It’s just difficult to watch so many people suffering in silence over something so insidious and underhanded. I was just trying to help.
to imjustanobody79:
I was not upset. I agreed with you, especially because most of the YouTube videos of Eurasian people talking about their experiences seem to sugar coat things to varying extents. I can see the pain in their eyes sometimes, and I don’t get the impression that they are always fully expressing their experiences. In many ways, I think anonymous blogs are the most honest, because most people won’t hide the truth if they really need to say something.
Thank you for empathizing with us and offering kind words of verbal support.